Come do life with Glennon Doyle, Abby Wambach, and Amanda Doyle.

With more than half a billion plays, We Can Do Hard Things is a hilarious, raw, comforting “support system for braving the everyday.” The Pod Squad goes hard ($56 Million raised in global aid) and stays soft (we meet Tuesdays and Thursdays to laugh, talk, and cry our way through the pain and magic of being human). 

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Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody join us for a heartfelt, soulful, and delightfully chaotic conversation about: 

- How to make a marriage last; 

- The importance of quiet; and

- how we can hold tight to our own humanity while demanding a more humanitarian world. 

This conversation is an urgent reminder of how we can all use our voices to make the world more beautiful. Join us now. 

About Mandy:

Mandy Patinkin is a Tony Award–winning actor, singer, and storyteller whose career spans four decades across stage, film, and television. He’s known for unforgettable roles in Evita, Sunday in the Park with George, The Princess Bride, Homeland, and Criminal Minds. He has toured the world with his solo concerts and collaborations with icons like Patti LuPone and Nathan Gunn. Since 2020, Mandy and his wife, fellow performing artist Kathryn Grody, have offered a delightfully unvarnished glimpse into 45 years of marriage online—sparking live shows with their son Gideon and a new Lemonada Media podcast, Don’t Listen to Us. 

About Kathryn: 

Kathryn Grody is an Obie Award–winning actor and writer whose work spans theater, film, and television. She won Obies for Top Girls and The Marriage of Bette and Boo, earned a Drama Desk nomination for her one-woman play A Mom’s Life. She has long been active in advocacy with groups including the International Rescue Committee and Downtown Women for Change. This fall, she premieres her new one-woman show, A Radical, Rollicking Rumination on the Optimism of Staying Alive, exploring the transition into elderhood at 78 years young. 

On their new podcast, “Don’t Listen to Us,” Mandy and Kathryn are giving you unqualified advice on everything including love, life, dolphins, work, art, bewilderments, relationships, pasta, aging, embarrassments, triumphs, ponderings on how to get through this crazy world. No question too small, no dilemma too big, no story too strange, no musing too trivial! All are welcome. 

00:00:00 Introduction

00:03:41 Welcome Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody

00:05:37 Mandy playfully promotes Kathryn’s new show

00:09:31 The surprising reaction from young people

00:10:48 Mandy Patinkin’s dog, Becky

00:13:26 Mandy on how he feels about getting old

00:15:40 What Kathryn does after Mandy goes to bed

00:16:46 Mandy and Kathryn debate a recurring “issue” in their marriage

00:20:06 The first time Kathryn saw Mandy

00:27:10 Mandy and Kathryn share their repetitive marital issues

00:31:39 A hysteria about losing time

00:34:03 How a pause in the conversation can leave space for others to join

00:38:45 Glennon shares her appreciation for Abby’s gift of conversation

00:45:30 The gift of having a more talkative partner

00:50:35 Kathryn on how we need to be more generous in sharing resources

00:52:48 Holding on and trying to make the impermanent parts of life stand still

00:55:54 Why a wishing well is meaningful to Mandy Patinkin

01;02:50 How Mandy’s and Kathryn’s Judaism forms them today

01:08:36 Mandy Patinkin’s powerful thoughts on the Middle East

01:12:40 Why women should run the world

01:15:28 Mandy Patinkin’s plea to younger / older listeners

01:19:31 Mandy does not want to meet Glennon, Abby, and Amanda

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How to Stay In Love: Mandy Patinkin & Kathryn Grody 

Join us for the hilarious, unfiltered, and vulnerable story of the time Glennon tried therapeutic psychedelics. At last, Glennon reveals to the Pod Squad: 

- The mishap that turned a “micro-dose” macro; 

- What Glennon encountered on her guided psychedelic journey; and

- How Sinéad O’Connor, a basement vision, and the magic words “I don’t      know” helped Glennon heal. 

Disclaimer: We are sharing lived experience, not medical advice. 

00:00:00 Welcome to WCDHT

00:04:30 Glennon sets the stage for her treatment with therapeutic psychedelics

00:05:45 Psychedelics & rigid thinkers

00:09:50 Glennon’s journey prep

00:14:58 Glennon’s micro-dosing trial run

00:18:46 Glennon realized she macro-dosed

00:27:01 Abby gets involved to help

00:35:49 The journey day

00:42:00 Glennon wants to ask “Why am I so scared?”

00:50:30 Glennon shares the visions she had

00:56:21 Abby on how Glennon came down from her journey

00:58:57 After the journey and how Glennon felt

00:59:31 Sinéad O’Connor appeared

01:00:38 Glennon’s next phase and how it helped her heal

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What Psychedelics Taught Glennon 

We all have something inside us that knows exactly what we want. 

Katie Gavin joins us to talk about: 

How to identify that kernel of desire inside—and then have the courage to follow it; 

Why love addiction can feel like being stuck on a “treadmill in the cosmos”; and

the moment Katie called Glennon a Femme/Dom—and how it changed Glennon’s life forever. 

Katie Gavin’s album: What A Relief

About Katie: 

Katie Gavin is a musician and member of the pop band MUNA, and released her debut solo album What A Relief this past October 2024—an album about a deep desire for connection and the obstacles standing in the way of achieving that. Gavin’s explorations of desire and intimacy feel time-worn and necessary – songs that might teach a generation if not how to live, exactly, then at least how to look within oneself for guidance about how to move forward. Katie is currently in the studio with MUNA working on their forthcoming album.

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Katie Gavin: How to Know What You Want 

Glennon shares the new way she’s making peace with her body—not through individual “wellness,” but through community care and collective action. Together, we explore why it’s more important than ever that we show up—even if we’re scared or heartbroken—because the world needs our broken hearts. And we unearth a small miracle: by listening to our bodies, we can participate in life without abandoning ourselves. 

Join us now. 

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The Trick G Uses to Make All Decisions

Music icons, queer trailblazers, and our heroes—Indigo Girls and Melissa Etheridge—share the wisdom, humor, and heart that have carried them through decades of music and community. We talk about faith, the power of music to heal and connect, their advice for queer kids, and the lessons they’re learning from young activists.

About Indigo Girls: 

Across four decades, 16 studio albums, and over 15 million records sold, the Grammy-winning Indigo Girls – Emily Saliers and Amy Ray – continue to blaze the trail for generations of Queer artists in the mainstream. 

Committed and uncompromising activists, Saliers and Ray work on issues like racial justice and reproductive rights, immigration reform, LGBTQ advocacy, education, death penalty reform, and Native American rights.

Indigo Girls was the first of six consecutive Gold and/or Platinum-certified albums.Their latest record, Look Long, is a stirring and eclectic collection of songs that finds the duo reunited in the studio with their strongest backing band to date. 

About Melissa: 

Melissa Etheridge stormed onto the American rock scene in 1988 with the release of her critically acclaimed self-titled debut album. Etheridge hit her commercial and artistic stride with her fourth album, Yes I Am. The collection featured the massive hits, "I'm the Only One" and "Come to My Window," a searing song of longing that brought Etheridge her second Grammy Award for Best Female Rock Performance. 

Known for her confessional lyrics and raspy, smoky vocals, Etheridge has remained one of America’s favorite female singers for more than two decades. 

In June of 2020, Etheridge launched The Etheridge Foundation to support groundbreaking scientific research into effective new treatments for opioid use disorder. 

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INDIGO GIRLS AND MELISSA ETHERIDGE!! 

Glennon, Abby, and Amanda share the bittersweet moment they dropped Tish off at college—and how they’re navigating the lucky grief of parenting older kids.

If you, too, are in the middle of this landslide—learning how to hold on and let go as your kids grow up—this conversation is for you. 

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